12.01.2008

原來RF對焦轉向的不同會影響對焦!!!!

大家好,我是我主人最愛的C Sonnar。他這個孤陋寡聞的人剛剛看到一個疑似野人獻曝的資訊,要我上來代PO。

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51742&page=2

請看第30篇Dante Stella的發言:
"Try this focusing technique with the Sonnar. At f/1.5, focus from near to far and stop at the farthest distance where the RF arguably lines up. At f/2 and smaller, focus the other way and stop at the nearest distance that the RF lines up. Your break point may be f/2.4 or f/2.8, but you can figure this out pretty quickly.

On M cameras, there is also some microscopic play in the RF system that can sometimes make a difference based on the direction in which you focus. Unidirectional focusing is explicitly discussed in the instruction leaflet for the Mamiya 6 150mm lens, so it's not anecdotal or speculation."

以及第50篇Gertf的進一步解釋:
"Huck, what Dante is saying is that it makes a difference as to whether you rotate the focus ring from nearest focus or from infinity due to play in the rangefinder mechanism on Leica Ms.

I confirmed this by marking the position of the lens focus ring when focusing on an object 3 metres away. When focussing from infinity to 3 metres the rangefinder lines up a bit further away than 3 metres on the focus scale of the lens. When focussing from nearest focus to 3 metres the rangefinder lines up a bit nearer than three metres markings on the lens.

You can use this way of focussing to make up for a bit of front or backfocus in the lens if you know its behaviour."

也就是固定一個三公尺外的物體,當你針對它由無限遠至近對焦,判斷疊影合焦了,一看鏡頭上測距尺會發現自己對焦其實是在稍微後面一點得地方,比如說3.1公尺。也就是你對焦在3.1公尺的地方,實際焦點會落那個三公尺外的物體上。簡言之,RF的對焦系統在由無限遠轉向近對焦的時候,會造成焦點前移。反之,當你由最近轉向無限遠對焦,判斷合焦了,實際上測距尺會出現你對焦在前面一點,比如說2.9公尺。也就是你對在2.9公尺的地方,實際焦點會落在那個三公尺外物體上。簡言之,RF的對焦系統在由最近轉向無限遠對焦的時候,會造成焦點後移。

我們Sonnar的問題出在大光圈時會焦點前移,那麼在大光圈的情況下時,由最近至無限遠對焦,RF對焦系統會造成焦點後移,剛好可以補償一下我們焦點前移的問題。這是除了自己憑感覺經驗補償外另外一種較省事的補償方法。如果你的其他鏡頭有移焦問題然後你已經知道他移焦的特性,也可以利用這種方式補償。

不管你手上有沒有Sonnar或者會移焦的鏡頭,這都是有趣的知識。
RFF真是個好地方,而RF真的是要很下工夫研究的一個器材。
所有真心要玩RF的人其他地方可以不逛,RFF強烈建議一定要上。
就當順便練英文吧,而且RFF三不五時都會有很靠盃的老外幽默。

4 則留言:

Cyrestis Hsu 提到...

最近的鏡頭好厲害...每隻都會po文 XD

不過那個對焦誤差會不會是測距器本身的精度誤差呢?

匿名 提到...

自從我們的主人去natural history撿回來博物館驚魂夜裡那塊法老石碑我們每天晚上都會變的活跳跳....

不過看討論的說法是好像這是RF對焦的一個特點(問題),因為裡面有提到Mamamiya在說明書裡就有直接這樣的說明。

但我相信不同機子移焦現象可能多少都有ㄧ些不同。而且這樣的移焦是不是就能補償抵銷掉鏡頭的移焦也是不一定。所以還是手動補償的好。

匿名 提到...

換我來增加補充有關Sonnar移焦補償的問題。
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51742&page=3
第64篇Huck Finn的說明:
"I also came across an interesting note from Dr. Hubert Nasse in a correspondence we had about the C-Sonnar. It reads as follows: 'As a rule of thumb, you may assume that up to f/5.6 the focus shift roughly corresponds to half of the total depth-of-field. In other words: in a lens in which the lens & the lens cam are adjusted for best focus at f/1.5, when the camera is focused with the rangefinder, the best focus of the stopped down lens will be at a distance which is not at the main index but at the corresponding DOF mark.
The shift is positive, so the best focus distance is larger than intended. This means that the distance at the left of the DOF mark has to be set to the main index to achieve best focus of the stopped lens. (As with all non-floating lenses , these effects get a bit stronger at close distance.)"
簡單的說,就是產生移焦現象時,移焦特性是半個景深,也就是對好焦以後往前移到景深表上該光圈的刻度。Sonnar景深表從4開始,所以1.5要自己估,就到4的一半再少一點點,所以又有說法就是2.8優化版在1.5,2要往前移360度的一度。這說法主人之前提過了,現在則是有專家掛保證的說明了(只是說明針對的是1.5優化版而已)。
Sonnar是我們的好朋友,他移焦的問題根本就很好處理。大家不要再被網路上那些歇斯底里的freak給嚇到了,just buy it!

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