4.15.2009

Leica M6 TTL ─ A True Workhorse




最經典的M機,是劃下RF時代意義訂定後世RF框架基礎的M3;最接近完美的M機,是用現代重新詮釋經典,現在的徠卡迷夢寐以求的MP。但是,就跟這個世界一樣,最實在的都是unsung的heroes們。M6正是M機當中真正的無名英雄。

今天,我的RF軍團又有一位生力軍加入。相較於之前的器材都是一心一意去求來的,這台M6TTL的加入多少是種緣分。一直有在想找一台備機,但其實一直以來也沒有很認真。前陣子跟女友skype一直半開玩笑性質的說你也要一起玩培養共同的嗜好啊,果然講久了就是你的,有一天她竟然很"認真的說好啊,等你回來買一台一起玩啊,我可以出四萬。"我一開始以為她在開玩笑,但再三多次確認,發現她是認真要買一台的!其實我也很清楚,她其實也沒很很心意已決的要玩攝影,也沒有很大的committment,純粹只是成全我想買備機的慾望。雖然我是很認真的想要她可以跟我一起玩,出去玩時,一人一台,她拍彩色,我拍黑白,RF情侶檔,識貨的都會投以目光,威力無法擋啊!雖然她也很清楚,要女生玩純機械手動底片RF機,很可能會淪為器材挑夫的宿命。為了讓她可以有比較大的機會玩得下去,其實真的有很認真的考慮IKON。

其實我一直想選M2的,我覺得M2是M機中除了黑MP最美的,重點是相較之下又便宜,一直想說我用M2,MP給女友用。但她不要我買老老沒測光的機子,甚至願意加碼讓我去買有測光的機子。當我再考慮IKON,說比較便宜她也比較好用,她知道我喜歡M機,也一直跟我說我喜歡徠卡機子的話就買徠卡啊,她可以慢慢學啊!OK,到此的重點都是在炫耀我的女友有多好。但為了不要讓大家等下都閃瞎要去養可魯,接下來還是專心在M6上。

總之我一直是很認真的考慮IKON,還上了蔡司迷上去問。老實說看RFF時就一直對IKON覺得很毛,我相信當它不出問題時絕對是比M機好用的工具,無奈它的問題實在有點多。說真的,我是希望蔡司COSINA聯盟能壯大,我也願意給他們機會,但這次他們真得是自己搞砸了,至少損失了我這個客戶。希望他們能覺悟,而不是像給我的回信那樣不願面對自己的弱點跟問題。總之上了蔡司迷,負面評價還是很多。如果連蔡司迷都這樣,那我想這台機子真的問題不小。放棄了IKON之後,其實是想說在M6跟Bessa R4A當中選一台的,偏向後者。當然有人會說IKON怎會不如BESSA,當然是不會,BESSA也是很多小問題,但都要面對一堆問題了,我寧肯選擇心理上比較能接受他有問題的BESSA,何況R4的框線是一絕。不過,最後還是遇到有緣的M6了....

其實只是無意在RFF買賣區逛,赫然看到一台1100USD的M6,還是TTL。這價錢應該是品像沒頂好的m6 non的價錢,但出現在M6 TTL上。但在RFF上常常看到便宜好貨我也不太心動,很簡單,因為無法面交,所以為了怕問題跟麻煩,我會寧肯多花一點錢跟二手商買,35Lux preA就是這樣。但這台M6 TTL的主人就在NYC!當下也糊裡糊塗的就PM給他然後去睡覺,說真的,PM時廣告已經刊一陣子了,沒想過說自己有機會撿到。隔天一早上RFF,看到他的回信,還在!不過很妙的是,這台機器在RFF上搞出軒然大波。簡單的說,就是我的賣家是今年二月才從一位original owner那買來的,買來以後沒甚麼用,然後賣的時候,就把他的賣家賣給他時所拍的照片跟文字敘述直接拿來用。當然如果有去徵求同意是最好,但這真的也不是什麼大事,而且看得出來是因為我的賣家對這些真的都不太熟悉,所以沒去想到跟注意到。無奈她遇到了機動戰士,在RFF上鬧得很大,然後RFF吃飽閒閒的人太多,都來插一張嘴,所以那幾天搞出小風波。不管如何,我跟賣家橋好今天中午在金融區附近面交。

賣家是個東方面孔,更妙的是,媽媽是台灣人,台灣也很多親戚,有地緣關係,氣氛就輕鬆許多。檢查了一下機子,就如同廣告上所的一樣,運作很正常很順(至少目前看來),但底蓋有點小刮傷,比較嚴重的部分在迴片桿,有些小凹洞。但我要的就是它可以好好工作而已,臉上有痘疤還是可以當好員工,更何況薪資低很多!賣家是玩NIKON數位的,本來是想玩看看萊卡的精典,但就跟很多人一樣,入手以後發現不是自己想像的那般美好,所以才沒幾個月就打算賣掉。雙方氣氛融洽,很快的銀貨兩訖。我本來打算直接上底片在金融區拍拍試機的,無奈出門太急望了塞底片進去包包XD(賣家也用野人包^^),只好回到宿舍上底片一路慢慢走到中央車站去試機。

其實入手之前就在想,曾經MP難為機,用過MP,可能對M6會覺得....果然,對M6的第一手印象,就跟很多M玩家對IKON的一樣,這東西頂得住嗎@@?MP機頂底蓋都是黃銅,但M6不是,好像是鋅,感覺起來質量很輕。重點是那個迴片桿,用料感覺起來比老米得更不扎實,難怪坑坑洞洞。當然再次強調的是,重量跟扎實是兩回事,那只是給人的感覺而已。但,就是覺得這....這....這是徠卡嗎?MP那種才叫徠卡啊!還有,我對VF也很有意見。對焦框常消失,容易眩光,重點是對焦框的對比真的沒有MP來的清晰。老實說我對MP的VF都很有意見了,對M6更是....其實當初入手前就知道M6的VF會很鳥,但看了以後還是忍不住閒他鳥。對不起手上有M6的朋友了,我只是說說第一手印象,但接下來,我要大大誇獎它了^^!

總之,用過MP之後,拿到M6並不會有"這是徠卡ㄟ"的感動,而是"這是徠卡嘛?"的疑惑。但AK47也是一把第一手印象不怎樣的槍,而AK47的影響力絕對是步槍之最啊!上了底片,出去拍了才見真章。M6加入後的第一次出勤,就遇到冷冷的小雨,天候挺惡劣的。它在我手上處女行的搭檔是坐了一陣子冷板凳的Summarit 35,拍拍黑白。這陣子都在用老鏡拍黑白,想說用Summarit拍看看比較一下。走了一趟這樣回來,我只能說,M6的偉大之處就在於,它的操作一切都是那麼順手自然,比MP順手自然多了。或許它在手上不會讓我有這是徠卡的爽度跟優越感,但重要的是,它在手上讓我更感覺到它是一台好用順手的相機。

陰陰的天氣,但不會太暗,VF上的缺陷這次出勤還沒顯現出來。事實上我想M6 VF的缺陷其實會造成影響的場景是少數。但至少我覺得M6 TTL比MP更符合我的人體工學。首先,M6 TTL其實比MP重,但握在手上卻感覺更使得上力。我的猜測是,M6 TTL增加的高度剛好更方便我握。MP一支手抓著拍會有一種使不太上力有點陡的感覺,但M6 TTL卻感覺很安穩。這是非常重要的重點,特別是在街上一手握著抓拍時,比MP好用。其次,它的轉盤設計的比MP更實用。轉盤比較大,手不用離開向機就能很輕鬆的調整,MP雖然我現在也可以手不離開相機去轉它了,但是,比較要使勁。這兩點就讓我感覺其實就算MP當前,M6TTL也有它無法被挑戰的價值,甚至是挑戰MP的實力。至於迴片,就更不用說了,MP的迴片設計就是為了復古精典跟好看而已。個人覺得M機斜肩的迴片設計實在有點醜,但又真他媽的好用。

目前初步使用心得分享至此,照片拍玩但還沒洗出來,是不是有些毛病可能要洗出來才能知道。要簡短的評論的話,我會給M6 TTL很不錯的評價,而且不是相對於其他相機,而是相對於RF相機中的超高標竿MP。我一直抱著這次找的是一台備機的想法,是一台二號機的想法,但這次一出勤我就知道我錯了,這絕對是一台跟MP平起平坐的機子,能一台裝35mm一台裝90mm這樣拍,真是爽啊。甚至,如果純粹以拍照好用,我覺得M6真的比較順手。如果,我們拋開John Rawls說的無知之幕,就是不去管說兩台機子的價格、名聲等等,在我有一台MP之後,讓我再選一台來用,然後假定M6跟MP評價一樣,價格一樣,我可能不會選再一台MP,而是選一台M6。而如果我一台都沒有,要我先選一台,我會先選M6來用,然後MP等以後再買進來。而如果我這輩子只選一台,那這時候就不能再拋開無知之幕了,而答案也是很堅定的:MP。這是M6在我心中的地位跟評價,而且是很高很高的評價。

想當初以30000左右買400D kit,而現在這台M6也只要我1100USD,我只能說,數位真的是垃圾....
要是當初有人能力勸我不要去玩DSLR好好玩RF,把那三萬拿來做RF基金,該有多好....

60 則留言:

LI-LI-CHOU 提到...

m兄我又來啦:

比較嚴重的部分在迴片桿,有些小凹洞。

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這部份要注意喔 我當初也是這樣子
然後底片發生過片時1~15張 沒問題 但是16張會卡住(不過片)有時我都要退一張回去,但這樣就會造成片子洗出來亂重疊。後來朋友都勸我送給阿基師看看 ,阿基師看完後就說因為我回片有受到撞擊產生了點小偏移。條回來之後就真的沒事了 ,後來我回家看我回片桿上也有點小擦傷啊..

至於那個vf 我也有發生過 因為那時我去夜拍,阿娘為~對到剛好寥寥無幾的光時真的只能用孤焦了。(淚)

但是M6還是實在拉
我買到現在沒放過防潮箱五次過

天天都帶在身上 撞來撞去 雖然有包著

之前有用過別排的RF 不是被我操爛 就是東壞西壞 我就是受不了才入來卡系統的...

SixWingAngel 提到...

莉莉兄又認錯人了^^"
買M6的是我不是M兄^^"

看到迴片桿那個嚇了一跳,趕快檢視一下,發現好像還真的不是跟斜肩的地方很平行@@"....不過目前過片時是沒遇到問題啦....看來這應該是M6常會有的毛病....

LI-LI 提到...

哈哈.......我一整個就是在認錯人

Rice Y.H. Tang 提到...

(M+35mm&M+90mm)in one bag..he..he..
知道爽了蛤^^...
看了網誌,您應該知道我的MP兩姊妹平常出沒的環境了,我這兩隻是野孩子,不相您們相機的主人都是出口成章的文化男,有教養多了
那鍋亮晶晶小娘砲BLACK PAINT
,已經往霧隱忍者的正妹形象踏出一大步
等她漏銅了我再拍照咱們同歡一下
恭喜六隻翅膀兄弟二號機誕生^^

SixWingAngel 提到...

Rice兄那環境真的太險惡了....NYC要找到那麼險惡的大概就只有去黑人區罵人黑鬼了XD....

兩機真的才是王道,有機會想弄一支CV28/2來跟Sonnar搭檔組成COSINA暴走團(聽起來就很弱XD....)

不過我的MP撞牆期,就很多細紋,但都沒什麼再露銅ㄟ....而且怪的是扣掉過片桿,現在漏得最厲害的竟然是倒片鈕@@"明明那的地方最少用啊....M6到是被我用很醜的膠帶亂貼機身讓人看了就覺得他是阿祖留下來沒人要的老骨董XD....

Rice Y.H. Tang 提到...

我還在猜您那M6身上遮遮掩掩的是啥東西
原來是膠帶
這M6上市時可是我大學時代的夢幻奇機
同學有一組M6+28/2.8+50/2+90/2
只能看不能摸
羨死人哩
摳吸納爆走團,嘖嘖嘖...好名子
比我那閃亮MP賤走團好多了.........
看來我想自然漏銅是想的急切了些
繼續賤走一陣子,再看看要不要激烈些

hiroshi 提到...

「比較嚴重的部分在迴片桿,有些小凹洞」這是啥?有沒有照片看?

SixWingAngel 提到...

我這邊只借的到爛爛的小DC,要詳細看的話要等E哥借我您高級望遠微距R鏡或只等您買了銳如刀割的50/1.4A以後放超大超大都沒問題才有辦法了....

匿名 提到...

不好意思~想冒昧請問RFF的網址是?
感謝您!

SixWingAngel 提到...

RFF = Rangefinder Forum
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/index.php
是個人認為最好的RF討論網站。其實不只是器材買賣的資訊而已,裡面的討論很多都很有趣,推薦一看。
如果是要買賣器材資訊的話,photonet也有很多‧也常有寶可以撿。基本上美國這邊價格普遍比台灣合理一些,但就是還要考量無法面交運送甚至搞不好稅金等等問題。

huja 提到...

恭喜,恭喜!
恭喜天使兄用好價錢入手好機!
M6TTL真的讓我愛不釋手,而且我也沒遇過電池很耗電的問題,唯一的遺憾是,我這台不會漏銅,所以現在在M5和MP間掙扎....XD

M6的過片桿和迴片桿是M6外觀的兩個敗筆,而且迴片桿的確蠻怕撞到的,這部分使用上的確要小心,興華收費又不便宜,還好有黎師傅...XD

希望早日看到天使兄和天使嫂,使出雙機流大絕招......

SixWingAngel 提到...

請教一下LAMAR兄,您用TTL時拍完一張就會馬上過片嗎?因為我入手以後才知道有人反應TTL耗電很兇的問題(看到便宜就眼紅沒做功課XD....),問了一位也玩TTL的朋友,他是說確定不過片時是不會耗電的,但不清楚的是過片沒半按快門時是不是還是會耗電。因為我一開始玩MP就養成拍完馬上過片的習慣,這樣子一看到東西想拍馬上拿起來就可以拍,不知道用TTL拍完馬上過片的習慣是不是要改一下。

這幾天雙機流真的還是發生打架的現象,因為兩機快門轉向不同^^"另外發現M6快門聲稍大,應該是98年機子算一算也差不多該CLA了,一回台灣就直奔台中老賴好了^^"這邊CLA從150USD起跳,實在有點圈圈叉叉....

huja 提到...

M6TTL,我每拍完一張ㄧ定馬上過片(其他底片機也是,這已經變成反射動作了),不過,相機放進包包或防潮箱前,我都會把快門轉到B或是off的位置,這兩個位置,測光表是確定不作用的,可是,有時候我忘記轉,放了幾個禮拜,電池也還是很有電,所以,也許這動作也省不了多少電???

另外,網路上有人說LR44或SR44因為電壓的問題會比較耗電,所以我都是用CR1/3N,續航力都在半年或二十捲以上(基本上都是拍到忘記上次是什麼時候換電池的),而且我都買新電池,有些店家電池放太久的,我都拒買,也許是這樣,所以我從沒遇過耗電的問題,只是,CR1/3N比較貴就是了....XD

以上,天使兄參考一下!

huja 提到...

剛剛想起來,前一陣子LFC上有電池的討論
天使兄可以看一看
http://leicafanclub.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9537

SixWingAngel 提到...

感謝Lamar兄,聽到這樣我放心許多,因為我也是拍完就過片,但回來以後會把它轉成off。至於電池那篇發文的正是害我入坑的E哥啊XD....他實在是罪孽深重....所以我最近一值要推他買50/1.4A來get even....

有關電池種類體悟很深。我在台灣有買LR44帶過來,然後之前寒假MP電池用完,就裝上去用。結果在零下十幾度中拍沒幾捲LR44就掛點了XD....趕緊去買了一顆1/3N,美國這邊還挺好買到的,宿舍附近的五金行就有,低溫中一比較之下實在是差很多。

hiroshi 提到...

哎呀~看了莉莉周的flickr及老機論壇上很多人的貼圖後,小弟痛下決心,在還沒有發揮出我的二代summilux的百分之一功力前,我就不賣他了。所以我是不可能買ASPH的,我看你還是勸拜那位要賣RIGID的一次攻頂,會比我中大樂透快很多。
所以我決定去徵一台0.85的MP,雖然很多人發PM給我,但不是要賣我,而是要告訴我0.85的MP只有銀的,要不就是要徵到天荒地老...
但這何嘗不是好事,我冷靜下來了。也可以趁著等待的同時,砍掉重練。

SixWingAngel 提到...

E哥,you fail me....

我都已經排好行程要做Leica 50/1.4A跟Sonnar的比較,才不會被人說我沒玩過50/1.4A就在嫌它....看來就只能寄望rigid官了,不過他應該不用我給他撩撥,人家官官悟性高,他會自己悟出ASPH才是王道的!不過我覺得他不屑買50/1.4A,而是買50/0.95A啊^^"....

老機哪裡有50/1.4II的圖片啊?我想看看。去老機看了一下,又無意中連到mobile01去,看了以後深感兩件事:一,玩RF是對的,單眼現在變得跟消費DC一樣速食,一堆東西可以追,真玩下去也沒比較省錢,一天到晚會想換東西,不像幾十年前的萊卡老鏡現在還是很好用。二,沒在看mobile01是對的,看到一群網友望著很飽和的圖就海綿體充血直喊這顏色太毒了要死了要死了我就笑到翻掉了....口味重要不能重到腦細胞死掉啊XD....

既然黑MP0.85可遇不可求,那趕快去撿上次那台唄!還是已經被撿走了?

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EddieShih 兄:

我剛入門時前輩也有跟我說擁有太多 不是一件好事~一方面也是小弟買不起啦 科科


我原本也是想買RD版
但是後來碰巧遇上前輩要買1.4

價錢又很優惠

想一想牙忍著就上了

用到現在都一直讓我很滿意

讓我心痛的是 我原本有原場的前蓋
鐵蓋那個...

竟然被我掉到海李去.........

讓我心痛狠久

huja 提到...

天使兄請參考...

老機的Leica M50貼圖區,50/1.4大概在中間的位置
http://406club.dyndns.org/ognn/viewthread.php?tid=82&extra=page%3D1&page=1

IOP這兒有二代和三代比較
http://iop.tw/viewthread.php?tid=1446&extra=page%3D3


唉!就算是RF,想買的實在是太多了.....XD(心經默念中....)

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感謝Lamar兄的資訊^^
不過我發現三代的資料跟圖片都不多,相較之下二代的比較豐富。有人說二代三代光學差不多,只是口徑跟最近對焦距離有改,也有人說三代有改良....我都被搞糊塗了....還是專心等我的Sonnar 50/1.0吧XD....

huja 提到...

天使兄,看過這篇嗎?
http://www.leica.org.cn/bbs/thread-54-1-2.html

SixWingAngel 提到...

感謝Lamar兄^^!以前還有在看萊卡中文論壇時好像友看過這篇,記得我那時候應該還是那種萊卡控一心想要50/1.4A的時候,那時候還有一篇50/1.4A, preA, sonnar的比較,記得當時看到sonnar的感想是:這是甚麼爛東西XD....

最近發現我越來越習慣50mm,所以有偶爾再看看萊卡50mm一些鏡頭了解一下。之前常聽人家把preA拿來跟sonnar比所以對preA滿有興趣的。等回國再跟E哥借來他得二代玩看看^^!

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